1 00:00:07,349 --> 00:00:04,710 this is walters road your roving 2 00:00:10,629 --> 00:00:07,359 reporter at ksrc radio in socorro new 3 00:00:12,789 --> 00:00:10,639 mexico we have with us this afternoon mr 4 00:00:15,190 --> 00:00:12,799 lonnie zamora is the coral patrolman 5 00:00:17,029 --> 00:00:15,200 that while chasing a car found himself 6 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:17,039 in an area about two miles west of 7 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:20,080 socorro and one mile east of kfrc radio 8 00:00:25,429 --> 00:00:22,560 station at which time he reports he came 9 00:00:28,150 --> 00:00:25,439 upon an unidentified object resting on 10 00:00:30,070 --> 00:00:28,160 four legs that as he drew closer the 11 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:30,080 object took off with a loud roar 12 00:00:35,110 --> 00:00:32,880 spouting blue red flame and disappeared 13 00:00:36,709 --> 00:00:35,120 in the sky a great number of cars in 14 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:36,719 socorro people have gathered here in 15 00:00:42,229 --> 00:00:39,520 front of the studios of ksrc to catch a 16 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:42,239 glimpse of mr zamora as he arrives and 17 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:44,719 welcome him with their car horns mr 18 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:47,280 zamora after coming upon this object 19 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:49,440 just what did happen i went up that 20 00:00:52,869 --> 00:00:51,520 little road 21 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:52,879 for about 22 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:54,960 half a mile again 23 00:00:59,349 --> 00:00:56,000 uh 24 00:01:01,270 --> 00:00:59,359 came up this little barking deal there 25 00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:01,280 on the side of the road tonight 26 00:01:08,070 --> 00:01:04,960 for a glance out the wood of the window 27 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:08,080 looked to my left continuous white 28 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:09,600 object 29 00:01:12,390 --> 00:01:10,840 on the 30 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:12,400 ground 31 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:14,960 the firefighters might be a car that 32 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:16,720 turned over 33 00:01:20,390 --> 00:01:18,640 so i also realized the real i think 34 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:20,400 harry going out there to investigate 35 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:23,280 thought maybe somebody would be hurt 36 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:24,320 uh 37 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:30,789 shaped looking object 38 00:01:35,109 --> 00:01:33,280 it looked something like a like an angle 39 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:35,119 from the distance i was that looked like 40 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:36,640 a leg to me 41 00:01:40,950 --> 00:01:38,720 about the size of that car i think 42 00:01:43,109 --> 00:01:40,960 someone said yeah sorry look let the 43 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:43,119 cart had turned over because they're the 44 00:01:47,350 --> 00:01:45,520 size of the car 45 00:01:49,590 --> 00:01:47,360 and uh didn't have any kind of markings 46 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:49,600 out of any kind that you noticed 47 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:51,840 yes it did uh 48 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:52,840 not from 49 00:01:57,190 --> 00:01:55,280 that that uh 50 00:01:58,550 --> 00:01:57,200 far i didn't see the markings 51 00:02:01,109 --> 00:01:58,560 when i went up 52 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:01,119 closer to it i did see the markings 53 00:02:06,630 --> 00:02:04,079 and someone said that uh the markings as 54 00:02:08,869 --> 00:02:06,640 you saw it was an upside down b with 55 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:08,879 three lines running through it 56 00:02:14,229 --> 00:02:11,360 look for a cool teddy bear go please 57 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:14,239 peel them on these signals and call mark 58 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:15,120 you know they don't want you to say 59 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:16,879 anything about the markings all right we 60 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:19,040 won't question you on that and if we run 61 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:21,040 into an area that they don't want you to 62 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:23,200 talk about when you just say so 63 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:25,280 and this happened about 5 30 friday 64 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:26,480 afternoon 65 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:29,440 well it happened about 5 15 about 10 66 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:31,920 minutes from about 10 minutes to six and 67 00:02:36,229 --> 00:02:34,239 uh you did place a call into sergeant 68 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:36,239 travis of the state police uh come on 69 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:37,840 out and help you with the investigation 70 00:02:42,309 --> 00:02:40,720 as soon as i saw his uh object with i 71 00:02:44,949 --> 00:02:42,319 didn't know what it was 72 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:44,959 i placed a call to uh hard and 73 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:47,040 challenged he looked faithfully 74 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:48,319 told him that he would come out there 75 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:51,360 and help me on this he said yes i'll be 76 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:54,239 right there for about few minutes 77 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:55,760 and he arrived 78 00:03:00,790 --> 00:02:57,680 just about two or three minutes after 79 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:00,800 the object had taken off and and left 80 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:03,680 well the albany was filled 81 00:03:09,589 --> 00:03:07,120 about a couple of months up there when 82 00:03:11,430 --> 00:03:09,599 he arrived i was still at that direction 83 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:11,440 it went but that was over the top of the 84 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:13,360 mountain and we've heard several reports 85 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:16,560 that it flew low or like it was dragging 86 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:19,120 something and we've heard some uh it was 87 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:21,360 very low to the ground at the time i was 88 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:22,879 seeing that it was very low to the 89 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:23,760 ground 90 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:25,680 up to the pearlite uh 91 00:03:28,789 --> 00:03:27,680 meal there and then it started getting 92 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:28,799 onto 93 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:30,560 now i also 94 00:03:35,830 --> 00:03:32,879 reported to me that when you first drove 95 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:35,840 up into the this area and uh decided 96 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:37,760 this object that the motors were running 97 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:40,799 and they were going uh 98 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:42,959 or some sort of such sound as that is 99 00:03:47,110 --> 00:03:45,200 that correct 100 00:03:48,710 --> 00:03:47,120 i couldn't say it because this happened 101 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:48,720 so fast 102 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:51,680 i started running those scared but i 103 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:53,200 don't blame you there are thoughts that 104 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:55,120 haven't even scared me yet 105 00:03:59,830 --> 00:03:58,000 uh now you didn't say that you saw uh 106 00:04:01,910 --> 00:03:59,840 two what appeared to be people dressed 107 00:04:05,509 --> 00:04:01,920 in white uniforms with uh do they have 108 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:05,519 helmets on like spacemen or anything 109 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:07,200 there are people i just 110 00:04:10,630 --> 00:04:09,040 i saw something quite 111 00:04:12,070 --> 00:04:10,640 quite colorful that's what i could say 112 00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:12,080 it looks like there was something in 113 00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:14,319 white cover all right but you didn't you 114 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:16,239 couldn't identify them as actually being 115 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:19,600 a human being and you and i are clueless 116 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:22,800 uh and but 117 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:24,240 you didn't know where they turned and 118 00:04:30,150 --> 00:04:28,800 saw you or or what then well uh 119 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:30,160 to my 120 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,280 i would say that this this 121 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:35,759 quite obvious turned and told me 122 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:37,280 with a two of them 123 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:39,680 i would say were two because one was in 124 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:42,240 france and the other 125 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:45,280 did you have a chance to to notice what 126 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:48,000 kind of a doorway they had to this uh 127 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:50,320 this uh object was flying out they 128 00:04:56,070 --> 00:04:52,880 didn't notice there was no room 129 00:04:59,270 --> 00:04:56,080 and uh 130 00:05:03,270 --> 00:04:59,280 when that took off uh it made a loud 131 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:03,280 loud growing sound uh that 132 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:06,960 good very loud noise roar or something 133 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:08,240 and then after it got up in the air 134 00:05:12,230 --> 00:05:10,000 about 20 feet while the sound seemed to 135 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:12,240 disappear the sound was 136 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:14,160 disappeared it was very very quiet you 137 00:05:19,510 --> 00:05:16,800 could hear a pin drop there 138 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:19,520 and uh now these are markings that left 139 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:21,840 on the ground now the reports that i've 140 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:23,440 had and i haven't had a chance to go and 141 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:25,039 take a look and the winds yesterday it 142 00:05:31,029 --> 00:05:27,919 probably uh spoiled a lot of that anyway 143 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:31,039 was that uh they were deep indentations 144 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:33,360 in the ground approximately 10 inches 145 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:36,400 wide and six to eight inches deep 146 00:05:41,110 --> 00:05:39,680 uh about 15 feet apart that uh is that a 147 00:05:42,150 --> 00:05:41,120 correct report 148 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:42,160 well 149 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:44,479 i would say it was about 19 you feel 150 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:45,560 part 151 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:47,919 of the 152 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:49,360 praise 153 00:05:53,189 --> 00:05:51,120 and were there any other prints like 154 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:53,199 footprints around the area 155 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:54,560 right after the 156 00:05:58,309 --> 00:05:56,560 takeoff or the end when you were making 157 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:58,319 the investigation there were some proofs 158 00:06:01,749 --> 00:05:59,840 but i wouldn't know if there were food 159 00:06:03,990 --> 00:06:01,759 prisoners in just 160 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:04,000 prisons 161 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:05,520 they didn't you couldn't identify them 162 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:07,199 as actually being a footprint in the 163 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:09,199 indentations like maybe somebody might 164 00:06:13,029 --> 00:06:11,039 have walked there or somebody might walk 165 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:13,039 there somebody walked around there 166 00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:14,479 because it was 167 00:06:17,909 --> 00:06:16,639 when i got there was nobody around there 168 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:17,919 yet 169 00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:20,400 now there was uh according to a report 170 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:22,720 on one of the news uh the television 171 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:24,800 stations in albuquerque claimed that 172 00:06:30,629 --> 00:06:28,560 they had a call uh just about 5 30 in 173 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:30,639 albuquerque of us are reciting about 174 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:32,800 flying objects flying in this direction 175 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:35,600 did you hear anything about that 176 00:06:40,390 --> 00:06:38,400 which uh if that be true means that 177 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:40,400 someone in albuquerque saw this object 178 00:06:44,230 --> 00:06:42,400 flying in this direction just prior to 179 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:44,240 you're signing it 180 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:47,039 and uh which collaborates uh the fact 181 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:48,960 that there was something here 182 00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:51,039 now it's the feeling i get the feeling 183 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:52,800 at least lonnie as with the people i've 184 00:06:57,589 --> 00:06:55,039 talked to and they were out in the area 185 00:06:59,589 --> 00:06:57,599 that they are quite sure that something 186 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,599 landed there and something took off from 187 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:02,080 from this spot because of not only the 188 00:07:06,309 --> 00:07:04,000 imprints that is left in the ground but 189 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:06,319 the fires that it started and and the 190 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:08,800 method of which uh uh the 191 00:07:13,110 --> 00:07:10,800 fire or the power that it was whatever 192 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:13,120 it was using kind of spread itself as it 193 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:16,240 took off is that right right uh no level 194 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:19,759 something out there because i feel it 195 00:07:23,909 --> 00:07:22,000 and uh 196 00:07:25,670 --> 00:07:23,919 what was your immediate reaction as soon 197 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:25,680 as you realize that this thing might be 198 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:28,800 an object from outer space 199 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:30,960 well i didn't think it would be 200 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:33,919 this object mode of space because i 201 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:35,840 i don't believe in 202 00:07:40,469 --> 00:07:38,720 didn't think about this mother states 203 00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:40,479 well uh it was something that you've 204 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:43,199 never seen before and enough to carry it 205 00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:45,680 and run in the other direction well what 206 00:07:50,230 --> 00:07:48,720 scared me was a loud noise in the flame 207 00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:50,240 that did it 208 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:53,680 it had a large flame and as it took off 209 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:56,560 did that yellow flame or it was a blue 210 00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:57,280 blue 211 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:58,800 orange flame 212 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:00,800 i thought this object was gonna blow off 213 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:03,120 this one started running back 214 00:08:07,510 --> 00:08:05,360 and did you notice whether the uh these 215 00:08:09,749 --> 00:08:07,520 arms that it was sitting on retracted 216 00:08:11,110 --> 00:08:09,759 back into the object it just flew away 217 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:11,120 or you have 218 00:08:14,710 --> 00:08:12,960 you didn't have time 219 00:08:16,309 --> 00:08:14,720 and inside just running in the other 220 00:08:17,189 --> 00:08:16,319 direction at that time i would have done 221 00:08:18,869 --> 00:08:17,199 it too 222 00:08:21,350 --> 00:08:18,879 are there any other things 223 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:21,360 about this fighting that you think our 224 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:22,960 listening audience might be interested 225 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:24,639 in or something that you'll be allowed 226 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:26,960 to tell us 227 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:31,990 and uh 228 00:08:35,829 --> 00:08:33,440 did it disappear 229 00:08:37,269 --> 00:08:35,839 into the high sky after that over around 230 00:08:38,829 --> 00:08:37,279 the pearlite or 231 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:38,839 or just 232 00:08:42,630 --> 00:08:40,880 yeah a little load to the fertilized 233 00:08:44,070 --> 00:08:42,640 mine then from there on 234 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:44,080 they just 235 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:46,160 so fast that you could barely use it 236 00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:48,720 right right up in the air anything 237 00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:50,880 attended to what you were looking at to 238 00:08:56,230 --> 00:08:54,320 see what he was doing 239 00:08:58,310 --> 00:08:56,240 well um do you think we're going to get 240 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:58,320 any more of them around you 241 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:00,480 hope not nothing to do 242 00:09:05,430 --> 00:09:02,320 well it was quite an interesting 243 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:05,440 experience and i'm sure and it's caused 244 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:07,360 an awful lot of comment 245 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:09,360 uh 246 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:11,600 did the investigators that were called 247 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:14,160 in uh make any comments at all in one 248 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:16,399 direction or the other 249 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:18,480 with the exception of that they do not 250 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:21,440 have any such object in this area oh 251 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:24,000 they are still puzzled themselves here 252 00:09:28,389 --> 00:09:26,000 and there's been no report on the 253 00:09:30,389 --> 00:09:28,399 samplings they took of the uh area 254 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:30,399 around there from the burning brush and 255 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:33,360 the areas that the blast hit the ground 256 00:09:37,190 --> 00:09:34,720 they might give them a clue as to what 257 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:37,200 kind of power was being used on this no 258 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:41,110 well uh 259 00:09:45,269 --> 00:09:43,920 i think i've just about covered it here 260 00:09:46,949 --> 00:09:45,279 let's see uh 261 00:09:49,829 --> 00:09:46,959 it wasn't dragging anything we had a 262 00:09:51,509 --> 00:09:49,839 report that it was dragging something as 263 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:51,519 it landed no i wouldn't say we're 264 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:53,040 drinking just 265 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:54,560 blown to the zone 266 00:09:58,230 --> 00:09:56,640 and uh 267 00:10:00,389 --> 00:09:58,240 you can't think of anything else than 268 00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:00,399 about deciding of this flying object 269 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:03,040 that our listing audience might 270 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:06,480 be interested in you 271 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:08,000 so you know 272 00:10:11,509 --> 00:10:09,600 well lonnie i'm sure you've been getting 273 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:11,519 an awful lot of uh questions and a lot 274 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:13,040 of inquiry and imagine you're beginning 275 00:10:16,389 --> 00:10:14,800 to get a little tired of it actually for 276 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:16,399 so many people calling and asking you 277 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,560 about it maybe this will be one way to 278 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:20,560 keep too many people from him you have 279 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:22,160 to go through the story over and over 280 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:24,160 again well it's been a real pleasure 281 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:26,800 talking to you mr lonnie zamora 282 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:28,560 this is the gentleman the support 283 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:29,760 patrolmen 284 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:32,399 that get a friday at around 10 minutes 285 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:33,519 to six 286 00:10:38,949 --> 00:10:36,120 come up on an object a flying object an 287 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:38,959 unidentified fine object as the 288 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:41,279 government prefers to call them i don't 289 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:43,760 know excuse me walter i've got some 290 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:44,640 some 291 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:47,200 military people that serve everyone talk 292 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:49,360 to me now believe they're from the u.s 293 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:50,399 polls 294 00:10:54,150 --> 00:10:52,240 uh what you have is the military people 295 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:54,160 are here from the ufo to talk to you 296 00:10:57,910 --> 00:10:55,440 right now and to ask you some more 297 00:10:59,750 --> 00:10:57,920 questions about this and they have not 298 00:11:02,389 --> 00:10:59,760 in any way tried to indicate that they 299 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:02,399 didn't want us to to cover this type of 300 00:11:05,829 --> 00:11:04,560 maneuver so i just told nobody we'll 301 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:05,839 come here and talk to you in the 302 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:08,240 registration 303 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:10,720 well that's fine and we would be 304 00:11:15,110 --> 00:11:12,480 interested in knowing 305 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:15,120 uh what they think about it is if 306 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:16,720 if they will allow it and after you get 307 00:11:20,069 --> 00:11:18,240 through talking to them if you call us 308 00:11:21,829 --> 00:11:20,079 back here ksrc 309 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:21,839 and to give us some of the information 310 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:23,920 that they might allow you to let us 311 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:25,279 broadcast 312 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:26,000 to 313 00:11:29,590 --> 00:11:27,200 all right 314 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:29,600 and uh this is tomorrow i hope that you 315 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:31,200 don't come up on any more of these 316 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:36,790 and as we find out exactly what they are 317 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:38,880 so it's been a pleasure mr zavoir having 318 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:41,120 you in our studios and we want to thank 319 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:43,120 you and i know our listeners thank you 320 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:45,600 and this is uh expressed by the great 321 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:47,120 number of cars that are out here in 322 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:49,200 front of our studio just to get a 323 00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:52,320 glimpse of uh what we might call a coral 324 00:12:02,710 --> 00:12:00,389 studios you've just been listening to a 325 00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:02,720 ksic radio special featuring an 326 00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:05,120 interview with mr london zamora the